1 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:10,380 Oh, is this the one that had the girl getting the ax in the head? 2 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:11,680 Yeah, that's it. 3 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,440 That had nothing to do with the original story. I added that in there. 4 00:00:15,660 --> 00:00:17,380 Did you? As an afterthought. 5 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,560 I don't know why I did it, but I did it. 6 00:00:25,780 --> 00:00:27,240 I thought it would help sell it. 7 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,580 Was this all shot in this area here? This was shot in Buena Park. 8 00:00:32,060 --> 00:00:33,060 Oh, nice. 9 00:00:34,190 --> 00:00:36,550 That's just five minutes from here, right? 10 00:00:41,170 --> 00:00:42,170 Pretty good effect. 11 00:00:42,910 --> 00:00:49,750 Yeah. But... The best part of the 12 00:00:49,750 --> 00:00:52,410 effect is the camera moving in that way. 13 00:00:56,210 --> 00:00:59,330 See, but it... Oh, we had fun with this girl. 14 00:01:17,550 --> 00:01:21,190 I don't believe their names are on the back of the car or anything yet. 15 00:01:21,390 --> 00:01:24,310 Well, I may have put her name. I don't know. I don't remember her name, to be 16 00:01:24,310 --> 00:01:25,310 honest with you. 17 00:01:25,650 --> 00:01:29,510 I know the girl that got the first one was a tomahawk. Now, that was at Cypress 18 00:01:29,510 --> 00:01:30,510 College. 19 00:01:30,630 --> 00:01:31,548 Oh, nice. 20 00:01:31,550 --> 00:01:32,570 At Cypress College. 21 00:01:32,890 --> 00:01:37,550 And that's a stuntman playing Bob Axelrod there. 22 00:01:38,710 --> 00:01:41,590 What happened here was you'll see him get hit by a car. 23 00:01:42,270 --> 00:01:45,250 He broke the windshield of the car. He wasn't supposed to do that. 24 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,400 Have you been around this area lately? 25 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:03,100 Yeah, it's not too far from here. It's maybe 15 minutes from here. Oh, cool. 26 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:09,220 Cypress College is between, it's two minutes from Buena Park. 27 00:02:10,740 --> 00:02:13,220 I wonder if it still kind of looks how it looks here. 28 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:14,800 Yeah, it looks the same, basically. 29 00:02:17,900 --> 00:02:18,900 Well, 30 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,180 they didn't show the part where we went over the car. 31 00:02:23,619 --> 00:02:27,860 Was that all? Do you think all that stuff was what had been edited out 32 00:02:27,860 --> 00:02:32,480 Well, I don't know why they edited that out. It was a pretty good bit. But 33 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:33,520 anyway, I don't know. 34 00:02:40,340 --> 00:02:41,340 Cyprus police. 35 00:02:42,340 --> 00:02:43,340 There you are. 36 00:02:46,220 --> 00:02:49,600 That's not a bad little opening there. No, it's a matter of two generations. 37 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,300 Yeah. It's abruptly cut. Yeah. That was my dad talking. 38 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:56,520 There's Robert. 39 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,740 He... Oh, that's Hollywood. That's... Oh, Paramount. 40 00:03:03,380 --> 00:03:05,860 No, that was Coinga Boulevard. 41 00:03:07,220 --> 00:03:08,940 In Hollywood. This is Hollywood. 42 00:03:13,020 --> 00:03:15,580 But that's not where he was standing. 43 00:03:18,250 --> 00:03:21,250 Is this all that cutaway stuff that you were shooting when you had that thing? 44 00:03:21,250 --> 00:03:22,730 Yes, exactly. That's what that was. 45 00:03:27,810 --> 00:03:29,830 Yeah, he's been in some pretty good movies. 46 00:03:30,190 --> 00:03:34,430 Yeah, that's a bookstore, a bookstall on Coinga and what used to be there. I 47 00:03:34,430 --> 00:03:35,430 don't live up there anymore. 48 00:03:36,970 --> 00:03:38,550 And this is Buena Park right here. 49 00:03:44,690 --> 00:03:45,930 That's cool that you got away with it. 50 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:48,300 Having guns in the street. 51 00:04:05,340 --> 00:04:09,520 That girl on the ground there was a... 52 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:15,800 She was a stunt girl at Knott's Berry Farm. 53 00:04:18,570 --> 00:04:19,570 I wonder if she's still there. 54 00:04:19,950 --> 00:04:20,950 No. 55 00:04:22,130 --> 00:04:23,130 She's too old now. 56 00:04:26,370 --> 00:04:29,950 Yeah, like these little songs throughout the movie are really good, I think I 57 00:04:29,950 --> 00:04:31,610 did. Glenn Baxley's very good. 58 00:04:31,870 --> 00:04:37,770 He did the music for the rescore for me for Three Bad Men. He's very good, and 59 00:04:37,770 --> 00:04:39,830 he also did the score for me for The Alley. 60 00:04:46,290 --> 00:04:47,730 Yeah, this is a good little song. 61 00:04:49,380 --> 00:04:51,020 I have no idea who these people are. 62 00:04:51,860 --> 00:04:52,900 No idea who they are. 63 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:56,000 None. Maybe when I see the girl, I could tell you. 64 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,240 Unless that's at... 65 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:06,100 I don't know. Maybe he's... I don't know. I'll see 66 00:05:06,100 --> 00:05:07,100 him better. 67 00:05:20,110 --> 00:05:23,550 So this is all like in the outspirits? I'm sure there's stuff built around 68 00:05:23,550 --> 00:05:30,530 now. This, if I'm not mistaken... I 69 00:05:30,530 --> 00:05:36,690 don't... I can't remember who shot this. I have no idea where the hell I am. I 70 00:05:36,690 --> 00:05:37,690 have no clue. 71 00:05:43,890 --> 00:05:47,130 It's not in L .A. County. It's somewhere down in Orange County or... 72 00:05:49,469 --> 00:05:51,630 Yeah, it's Orange County somewhere. South Orange County. 73 00:06:06,410 --> 00:06:08,230 Do you keep in touch with that guy at all? 74 00:06:09,010 --> 00:06:10,390 I have no idea who that guy is. 75 00:06:30,700 --> 00:06:31,800 I don't remember the sequence. 76 00:06:38,020 --> 00:06:40,520 So this all took, you said, 14 days? 77 00:06:41,620 --> 00:06:44,440 No, about 12, 78 00:06:46,500 --> 00:06:48,300 13, 14 days, something like that. 79 00:06:50,100 --> 00:06:53,340 I don't know who these people are. I have no clue where I even got them. 80 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:57,440 I'd like to see her again. 81 00:06:57,960 --> 00:06:58,960 Yeah. 82 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,760 Did you ever talk to that other guy? The guy on the right? His name is Lonnie 83 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:18,560 Withers. He lives up in Hesperia. 84 00:07:19,220 --> 00:07:20,640 I haven't talked to him in years. 85 00:07:34,180 --> 00:07:37,660 As I seem to recall, this couple were actually boyfriend and girlfriend. 86 00:07:38,460 --> 00:07:39,460 I think. 87 00:07:40,340 --> 00:07:41,340 I'm not sure. 88 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,620 She's got some little cut -off shorts or boy shorts. 89 00:07:54,660 --> 00:07:57,320 You don't have a copy of this soundtrack by chance, do you? 90 00:07:57,860 --> 00:07:59,580 Soundtrack? Yeah, like all these songs. 91 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:01,920 Oh, 92 00:08:08,500 --> 00:08:10,260 she lifts her blouse here. I remember that. 93 00:08:10,860 --> 00:08:12,400 Or her skirt, something, whatever. 94 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:24,780 I remember her face. 95 00:08:25,100 --> 00:08:27,720 I remember her, and I'm trying to remember where I got her. 96 00:08:35,140 --> 00:08:38,260 Did you have any people bother you while you were shooting all this? 97 00:08:39,659 --> 00:08:43,900 I've only had one person ever bother me one time when we were filming, and that 98 00:08:43,900 --> 00:08:46,400 was on Children of the Road, the hobo movie. 99 00:08:47,580 --> 00:08:50,800 Some raving lunatic came up there and said, this is my property. 100 00:08:51,220 --> 00:08:54,900 It belonged to my grandfather from a Mexican grand and all this other stuff. 101 00:08:55,100 --> 00:08:57,380 It was the evening when he came up. We'd already finished. 102 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,960 But I stood there and told him, piss my ass. 103 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:03,180 I was going to stay there and finish. 104 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:05,800 I don't let people intimidate me at all. 105 00:09:07,500 --> 00:09:11,020 Oh, and the only other time was when we were making this movie. I'll tell you 106 00:09:11,020 --> 00:09:12,020 about the devil cult. 107 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:15,640 I'll tell you about that. 108 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,960 In order to shoot scenes like this, you've got to scout it out and make sure 109 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,220 it's a lonely place. There's nobody around, you know. 110 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,560 And then you have pretty much carte blanche. 111 00:10:10,220 --> 00:10:13,320 And you don't go in carrying a lot of equipment and all that other stuff. You 112 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:14,440 don't park cars all together. 113 00:10:39,150 --> 00:10:40,150 I remember that. 114 00:10:42,190 --> 00:10:43,190 I remember that. 115 00:10:47,070 --> 00:10:48,370 Have you seen him lately? 116 00:10:49,050 --> 00:10:51,970 No, he talked to me, called me, I don't know, a couple of years ago. 117 00:10:53,330 --> 00:10:55,710 Maybe more than that, maybe four or five years ago. 118 00:10:56,270 --> 00:11:01,310 And we talked, and I was going to get together, but I never got the chance to 119 00:11:01,310 --> 00:11:04,890 get together. I was too busy. But I told him I'd use him again. He's a hell of a 120 00:11:04,890 --> 00:11:05,890 good actor. 121 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:14,000 And after we had our little confrontation down here in location, he 122 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,000 after that. 123 00:11:17,140 --> 00:11:22,400 He looks like Greg Hawks from The Cars. I don't know if you're familiar with 124 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,220 him. Yeah. He looks like the keyboard player. A little bit in the eyes. 125 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:26,640 Yeah. 126 00:11:40,620 --> 00:11:43,200 He doesn't look that young anymore. He's really weathered. Have you seen him 127 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:48,380 lately? No, I haven't. Oh, he's really weathered. I mean, he looks much, much, 128 00:11:48,380 --> 00:11:49,500 much older than he is. 129 00:12:09,660 --> 00:12:14,620 come from like did you watch i spit on your grave or any of those movies i 130 00:12:14,620 --> 00:12:19,660 saw that movie a lot of people ask me just did this come from this movie i 131 00:12:19,660 --> 00:12:23,440 i don't i'm not one of those people that goes out and sees a lot of movies no no 132 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,120 most 133 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:32,120 of the time i'm disappointed in 134 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:33,120 what i see 135 00:12:39,790 --> 00:12:43,970 On this movie, were you able to just do what you want, or did they have, like, 136 00:12:44,010 --> 00:12:48,190 other than what they cut out, it was all what you wanted to do? I got what I 137 00:12:48,190 --> 00:12:51,090 wanted. I was the guy. I was the man out there. I mean, I got what I wanted. 138 00:12:51,350 --> 00:12:54,050 The problem I had was with anybody. 139 00:12:55,250 --> 00:12:58,570 Mine and his little disagreement was a quick thing. It was no problem. 140 00:12:59,010 --> 00:13:05,550 But with the girls, those four girls, once I got them out on location, see the 141 00:13:05,550 --> 00:13:06,550 oriental girl there? 142 00:13:06,860 --> 00:13:10,760 Oh, yeah, his flashback? Yeah, there's a scene in there where he's back in 143 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:15,900 Vietnam, the other guy, and he visits this Oriental prostitute. She was 144 00:13:15,900 --> 00:13:19,280 beautiful. She was gorgeous. She wanted to keep filming. 145 00:13:19,620 --> 00:13:23,820 I literally ran out of film after we shot everything. I mean, I barely made 146 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:25,060 but she wanted to keep filming. 147 00:13:26,140 --> 00:13:29,280 She was just a wonderful person, totally wonderful person. 148 00:13:32,990 --> 00:13:36,370 He and I got into a disagreement one night after we got through filming. 149 00:13:36,730 --> 00:13:39,850 We had dinner and then we were supposed to rehearse at Lonnie's house. He was 150 00:13:39,850 --> 00:13:40,850 living out of his spirit. 151 00:13:40,970 --> 00:13:42,870 And he said, I don't want to rehearse. 152 00:13:43,130 --> 00:13:47,470 So he said, I'm going back to the motel. I grabbed him and I slammed him up 153 00:13:47,470 --> 00:13:48,470 against the car. 154 00:13:49,910 --> 00:13:52,910 And I said, look, you son of a bitch, I'm putting the money into this movie. 155 00:13:53,190 --> 00:13:55,770 And you're going to goddamn well do what I say or you're out of here. 156 00:13:56,390 --> 00:13:58,590 He was fine after that. Never had a problem with him again. 157 00:13:59,250 --> 00:14:01,750 I just had to shake him up. It was his first starring role. 158 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:03,860 He was just starting out and he was nervous. 159 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:09,380 So this girl, another one that caused me problems. 160 00:14:10,460 --> 00:14:14,480 I thought she was sexy until she took off that thing, that big ass. 161 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:18,400 Too big. 162 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,720 It almost looks like she has a bikini on. 163 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,260 No, no, that was her. That was her nudity. 164 00:14:26,860 --> 00:14:29,860 That was shot in a house in La Mirada, as I recall. 165 00:14:31,370 --> 00:14:34,890 As far as where she was running prior to this, is it the same area? That was in 166 00:14:34,890 --> 00:14:35,890 that same area. 167 00:14:36,370 --> 00:14:41,170 Her husband was a merchant sailor or a Navy guy. 168 00:14:42,770 --> 00:14:44,570 I knew him from Knott's Berry Farm. 169 00:14:45,770 --> 00:14:48,690 I think that's where I got most of these people from Knott's Berry Farm. 170 00:14:55,870 --> 00:15:00,170 Well, so far, this isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be, you know. 171 00:15:01,500 --> 00:15:02,500 No, it's good. 172 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,000 But she had no problem with the nudity. It didn't bother her at all. 173 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,940 I remember when we shot it, I was standing right behind the cameraman. 174 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:24,940 And when she took the towel off, you looked at me like... I had to hold 175 00:15:24,940 --> 00:15:25,940 from laughing. 176 00:15:26,820 --> 00:15:27,820 Oh, God. 177 00:15:27,980 --> 00:15:28,980 But you get what you get. 178 00:15:29,580 --> 00:15:32,440 Paying them hardly any money, so what do you expect, you know? Yeah. 179 00:15:35,540 --> 00:15:40,960 So this green car, this car, this particular one, whose was that? 180 00:15:41,220 --> 00:15:42,220 Do you remember? 181 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:43,240 I don't remember. 182 00:15:43,260 --> 00:15:44,260 It wasn't mine. 183 00:15:44,860 --> 00:15:50,060 I don't know. At that time, what was I driving? I was driving a Pinto. 184 00:15:50,260 --> 00:15:52,600 This was the other one that was an idiot. 185 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,580 What, they cut out the dialogue there where she sees her mother come in the 186 00:16:22,580 --> 00:16:24,200 door? Oh, no. 187 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:28,480 Thank 188 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:45,900 you. 189 00:16:55,790 --> 00:16:57,350 I think that's La Mirada there, too. 190 00:16:58,330 --> 00:17:01,430 Or Buena Park, one of the two, I don't remember. That's more like La Mirada. 191 00:17:01,630 --> 00:17:05,690 That kind of looks like my aunt's house, the one that she lives in. Buena Park? 192 00:17:05,910 --> 00:17:08,150 Yeah, that's probably where that was. It's kind of like that area. 193 00:17:08,710 --> 00:17:11,550 I shot everything pretty much locally until we got out to the desert. 194 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:47,600 Not a bad little actress. 195 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,860 Yeah, she's the one that likes to scream a lot in this movie. 196 00:18:07,580 --> 00:18:12,300 Yeah, when we were editing this, the audio to clear it up a little bit. 197 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:17,640 The audio guy I work with, he's like, they don't make cars like that because 198 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,740 hoods would crush it because they don't have the steel bars. 199 00:18:21,500 --> 00:18:22,680 It's just one flat roof. 200 00:18:24,900 --> 00:18:28,040 Well, I cut the picture and I cut the audio and I didn't know what the hell I 201 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:29,040 was doing at that time. 202 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,920 It's not the first picture I cut, but it's the first one with sound. 203 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:35,600 I was learning. 204 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,040 You know who that guy is working on the bike? 205 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:06,440 Yeah. 206 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:12,920 I think. 207 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:14,560 I may be wrong. 208 00:19:15,620 --> 00:19:22,460 Yeah. That was the... No, I don't know. 209 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:24,940 I was going to say it was the sound man, but I don't think so. 210 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:28,320 May have been. 211 00:19:28,420 --> 00:19:30,140 May have been. 212 00:19:41,100 --> 00:19:43,820 Now this was all shot after we got back from the desert. 213 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:45,880 All this was shot after. 214 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,280 First stuff we shot was the desert stuff. 215 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,240 I was only talking to them when I had to talk to them. 216 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:01,160 They're actually not like bad actresses. Huh? They're pretty good actresses. Not 217 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:02,160 bad. 218 00:20:02,660 --> 00:20:05,240 Now this guy was a stuntman at Knott's Berry Farm. 219 00:20:11,020 --> 00:20:13,480 Oh, just because we're women, you think we can't take care of ourselves? 220 00:20:13,900 --> 00:20:17,740 I didn't say that. Look, it's not a good idea to be taking cancer. It's a 221 00:20:17,740 --> 00:20:20,500 dangerous place if you don't know what you're doing. Oh, now we don't know what 222 00:20:20,500 --> 00:20:21,500 we're doing. 223 00:20:22,900 --> 00:20:24,320 Well, I'm going, and that's it. 224 00:20:25,120 --> 00:20:26,880 Well, I guess you've got something to prove, huh? 225 00:20:27,460 --> 00:20:28,460 Maybe I have. 226 00:20:30,780 --> 00:20:33,580 I'll be home Sunday night, and let's see if that process works. 227 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:48,720 He's got like a nice, I don't know if it's his E28, but he's got a nice 228 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:51,539 The car? 229 00:20:51,540 --> 00:20:52,540 Yeah. 230 00:20:56,300 --> 00:21:03,160 And this guy 231 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:04,360 was the sound man's father. 232 00:21:07,580 --> 00:21:09,620 That was the sound man by the bike. 233 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,760 Oh, it was? Yeah. They'd set up the mic. 234 00:21:12,450 --> 00:21:16,330 Someone else was mad at him. I think his dad was doing the sound that day. 235 00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:20,710 They were from New York, he and his son. 236 00:21:23,190 --> 00:21:24,190 Nice people. 237 00:21:34,190 --> 00:21:38,150 She has like a New York sounding accent. 238 00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:56,700 I think that car belonged to the assistant director, now that I think 239 00:22:01,900 --> 00:22:05,220 See, now, that's either a copter or something. 240 00:22:05,420 --> 00:22:08,700 I would not have printed that scene. I would have gone and shot it again. 241 00:22:14,460 --> 00:22:18,000 That or the next door neighbor's point is long. Oh, that's what it was, maybe, 242 00:22:18,140 --> 00:22:19,660 yeah. That's what it was. 243 00:22:21,770 --> 00:22:24,250 I wonder if that little kid knows he's in Victims. 244 00:22:26,570 --> 00:22:32,350 I think that's La Mirada. 245 00:22:40,290 --> 00:22:41,630 That's Glenn singing, too. 246 00:22:44,750 --> 00:22:46,450 Glenn's very good. He's very good. 247 00:22:47,670 --> 00:22:48,670 I'd use him again. 248 00:22:50,340 --> 00:22:52,720 I wonder if he would still have any of the tapes for this. 249 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,100 I wonder if he would still have any of the audio for this, like his actual 250 00:22:56,100 --> 00:22:58,720 tracks. I have no idea. I haven't talked to him in years. I don't know. 251 00:23:02,300 --> 00:23:08,900 I wonder what street corner that is right there. 252 00:23:10,260 --> 00:23:11,460 I'm sure it's changed a lot. 253 00:23:20,449 --> 00:23:23,590 This is where that couple's in there, the British guy. And I had to dub his 254 00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:26,470 voice in one part of it. Oh. 255 00:23:40,810 --> 00:23:42,170 Yeah, this guy. 256 00:23:43,090 --> 00:23:46,890 There was a crate called the Urban Cowboy Crate. Came out in 1980. 257 00:23:47,150 --> 00:23:48,730 Yeah. He was one of them. 258 00:23:49,050 --> 00:23:53,910 He was one of the big ones. He taught the line dancing. He played at Knott's 259 00:23:53,910 --> 00:23:54,910 Berry Farm. 260 00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:57,810 That's why I remember him now. He was a hell of a nice guy. 261 00:23:58,810 --> 00:24:01,050 The Travolta era. 262 00:24:02,390 --> 00:24:04,770 Yeah, it was during that exact same time, 1881. 263 00:24:05,650 --> 00:24:06,770 79, 1881. 264 00:24:07,670 --> 00:24:09,290 And here's that British couple. 265 00:24:15,670 --> 00:24:16,670 That's my voice. 266 00:24:35,790 --> 00:24:39,590 All that right there looks like Benson or Bisbee, Arizona. 267 00:24:39,930 --> 00:24:41,870 Yeah. Flat like that, huh? Yeah. 268 00:24:42,690 --> 00:24:43,970 Yeah, this is Hesperia. 269 00:24:46,430 --> 00:24:47,730 Had a nice little butt. 270 00:25:00,860 --> 00:25:03,040 Little Huggie. 271 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,200 Don't look now, but I think someone likes you. 272 00:26:01,020 --> 00:26:04,220 Nowadays, I'd have him take the money, but I'd have him caress her hand as he 273 00:26:04,220 --> 00:26:05,220 takes the money. 274 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,060 Stuff like that. I mean, you learn so much. 275 00:26:57,870 --> 00:26:58,870 Sweat rock. 276 00:27:17,690 --> 00:27:18,690 Hello? 277 00:27:21,570 --> 00:27:25,910 And now, just follow the road to the port, turn left, and you're at the end. 278 00:27:26,250 --> 00:27:29,150 A good old staff is spanking what they need. 279 00:27:33,150 --> 00:27:34,410 I should tell you. 280 00:28:07,550 --> 00:28:11,990 Yeah, the cameraman named David 281 00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:16,890 Orange Shack, I think was his last name. 282 00:28:17,230 --> 00:28:18,530 He wore all black. 283 00:28:18,790 --> 00:28:20,290 Yeah. He always wore black. 284 00:28:25,410 --> 00:28:30,210 And I read of this piece of junk from some guy that lived out there. 285 00:28:31,650 --> 00:28:33,010 Did it stall out on you? 286 00:28:33,310 --> 00:28:35,050 Huh? Did it stall out on you? 287 00:29:11,370 --> 00:29:12,370 body maybe? 288 00:29:42,190 --> 00:29:44,070 We filmed this whole sequence totally different. 289 00:29:54,050 --> 00:29:55,390 Do you remember those two guys? 290 00:29:55,790 --> 00:29:57,210 Huh? Do you remember those two guys? 291 00:29:57,410 --> 00:30:03,190 I remember them, but I don't know where they came from. I have no clue. I have 292 00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:03,989 no idea. 293 00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:08,310 Oh, I know where they are. The guy with the beard? Mm -hmm. He was in the nut 294 00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:11,210 show at the wagon camp at Knott's Berry Full. 295 00:30:12,530 --> 00:30:15,550 He was the guy that they pull up from the audience, supposed to be there with 296 00:30:15,550 --> 00:30:17,230 his wife, and then they chase him. 297 00:30:18,050 --> 00:30:22,850 And the other guy, I think he was a stuntman there, too. I think they're all 298 00:30:22,850 --> 00:30:24,130 stuntmen that I use in the thing. 299 00:30:24,530 --> 00:30:27,270 Not. Or actors, you want to call them, whatever you want to call them. 300 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,840 That should have been a dissolve instead of a straight cut. 301 00:31:05,180 --> 00:31:11,720 Yeah, she sounds from New York. She has an East Coast 302 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:12,720 accent. 303 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,500 And nobody's going to find this way out of here. End of the world! 304 00:31:25,060 --> 00:31:26,260 Oh, my God. 305 00:31:28,260 --> 00:31:31,100 What do you say we set up camp before it gets dark? Come on. 306 00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:35,180 This 307 00:31:35,180 --> 00:31:45,480 was 308 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:46,980 shot in broad daylight in the morning. 309 00:32:14,279 --> 00:32:18,700 So how many people in the crew would you say were on this movie? 310 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:24,430 Well... A couple of the guys, like one of the two bad guys, Lonnie, he helped 311 00:32:24,430 --> 00:32:25,369 carry stuff. 312 00:32:25,370 --> 00:32:26,690 I had a sound man, 313 00:32:27,410 --> 00:32:33,070 a boom man, and I had the cameraman and me and the assistant director and the 314 00:32:33,070 --> 00:32:34,070 makeup lady. 315 00:32:35,510 --> 00:32:36,930 About six or seven. 316 00:32:41,790 --> 00:32:46,450 Very small crew, very small. 317 00:32:46,810 --> 00:32:49,670 But you don't need a lot of people if you know what you're doing. 318 00:32:50,620 --> 00:32:52,360 I could have used some more, but I didn't need them. 319 00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:58,880 See, 320 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,980 now if I were filming this, I would have shot it totally different, but I would 321 00:33:04,980 --> 00:33:07,780 have come in for close -ups on some of the important lines here. Right. 322 00:33:17,660 --> 00:33:21,020 Did it get really cold at night during the time of filming or in the morning? 323 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,300 This is morning. No, not there. 324 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,880 It can be, but the time I shot it, it was, I 325 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:32,280 think it was in the spring. 326 00:33:32,620 --> 00:33:33,620 I'm not sure. 327 00:33:34,340 --> 00:33:36,040 So it was warm out there in Asperia. 328 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,400 Like spring of, would you say this is spring of 81? 329 00:33:40,300 --> 00:33:43,780 Spring of 81. I think it was springtime. It was 81, I know that. 330 00:33:46,770 --> 00:33:50,090 I'd been in Mott's about a year. 331 00:34:07,910 --> 00:34:12,630 Well, at least it looks like moonlight. 332 00:34:12,909 --> 00:34:13,909 It's just too dark. 333 00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,380 I would have to come in on close -ups because you can't tell who's who. 334 00:35:06,930 --> 00:35:08,490 Scorcher. It'll be a scorcher. 335 00:35:11,410 --> 00:35:13,570 Oh, is this where they go skinny dipping? 336 00:35:14,010 --> 00:35:15,010 Yeah. 337 00:35:16,670 --> 00:35:18,710 They gave me all kinds of hell about this. 338 00:35:20,570 --> 00:35:24,510 They wanted to stay in bikini. I said, no. They kept saying, less is more. And 339 00:35:24,510 --> 00:35:25,510 said, I don't give a shit. 340 00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:28,990 You saw the script. This is what we're going to do. 341 00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:32,190 Oh, yeah, they ganged up. They were something else. 342 00:35:33,110 --> 00:35:37,290 But, see, it was all, there was a guy who was the assistant director. 343 00:35:38,230 --> 00:35:42,330 And he was an old lady, basically. And he was the one that was instigating all 344 00:35:42,330 --> 00:35:43,069 of this stuff. 345 00:35:43,070 --> 00:35:44,170 I found out later on. 346 00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:57,830 What we were afraid of 347 00:35:57,830 --> 00:36:02,930 here, when we were not there, but when we got to the spring, was that the 348 00:36:02,930 --> 00:36:03,930 rangers would be around. 349 00:36:04,210 --> 00:36:05,210 Oh, I see. 350 00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:08,910 But there is a spring up there where they do skinny dipping. 351 00:36:10,570 --> 00:36:13,710 I'd get that and not worry about it, but I'm always worried about that. Somebody 352 00:36:13,710 --> 00:36:17,930 watching, you know, whatever, busts you or something, you know. 353 00:36:32,830 --> 00:36:36,550 But as a consequence, I never quite got what I wanted in this scene coming up. 354 00:36:38,620 --> 00:36:40,160 As far as them skinny dipping? 355 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:41,720 Yeah, I never got what I wanted. 356 00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:46,020 We can find out four of them and shoot it again. 357 00:36:46,340 --> 00:36:50,680 I would have shot more close -ups. That's what I would have shot, and more 358 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:51,720 nudity than they showed. 359 00:36:51,940 --> 00:36:55,360 That's what I would have done. At that point, I was so goddamn mad, I was 360 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:56,360 talking to them anyway. 361 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,240 You know, you're financing something, you're under a lot of pressure. 362 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:05,440 You only have two weeks to do it, and you're out there in the desert, and 363 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,440 working. Constantly. There's no break except for lunch, quick lunch and bam, 364 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:10,440 were up and out of it. 365 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,300 And then when they give you trouble, 366 00:37:13,420 --> 00:37:19,180 it just wasn't, 367 00:37:19,180 --> 00:37:25,520 it was not a pleasant experience making this movie. 368 00:37:28,620 --> 00:37:30,060 That girl looks pretty fit. 369 00:37:30,860 --> 00:37:33,780 Hmm? That girl looks pretty fit like she went to the gym. 370 00:37:39,820 --> 00:37:43,620 I think that's called Deep Creek, and it's the place where they go skinny 371 00:37:43,620 --> 00:37:44,620 dipping now. 372 00:37:45,860 --> 00:37:50,480 And at the time, I didn't know that. I just found that lake. I was like, let's 373 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:51,279 go in there. 374 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,280 Let's do it there. 375 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:08,140 I like the way the shot is composed there. It's kind of a nice little shot, 376 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:09,280 though. 377 00:38:10,660 --> 00:38:15,460 So as far as victims, did you have any other locations that you wanted to shoot 378 00:38:15,460 --> 00:38:18,880 this other than the desert or you always thought it would be? No, I shot a lot 379 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,700 of stuff in the desert back in those days. No, I thought this was a perfect 380 00:38:21,700 --> 00:38:25,360 place for it. In the desert, you don't have to pay for any locations there. 381 00:38:26,420 --> 00:38:27,420 Nobody's going to bother you. 382 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:28,680 You're away from everybody. 383 00:38:30,380 --> 00:38:33,900 And I like the landscape because I can get some pretty dramatic stuff with it, 384 00:38:33,900 --> 00:38:34,900 you know. 385 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,620 In those days, I didn't know much about light and shadow either. 386 00:38:41,420 --> 00:38:46,140 Now, I love doing film noir because I'm an expert at light and shadow anymore. 387 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,440 So, I don't know. It's more fun to me now. Much more fun. 388 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,080 Because when you're learning, you're learning. You don't know all the answers 389 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,420 stuff. You know what I mean? Yeah. 390 00:39:50,610 --> 00:39:51,610 Wait. 391 00:39:54,730 --> 00:39:58,250 Funny how you remember those things, you know. You remember a line or whatever. 392 00:40:33,970 --> 00:40:35,410 in the car. 393 00:41:33,940 --> 00:41:35,560 Big old boat of a car, huh? 394 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:37,080 Yeah. 395 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,620 Yeah, this is when all the bad things start happening. 396 00:42:31,140 --> 00:42:33,560 Oh, the girl gets bit by a snake or something, too? 397 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:34,920 Or falls? 398 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:35,960 Yeah. There's a snake in here. 399 00:42:36,180 --> 00:42:39,420 Yeah. The snake. I never saw one snake. We're out in the desert. You know where 400 00:42:39,420 --> 00:42:40,420 I had to get the snake? 401 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,340 From the ROP school down here in Orange County in Anaheim, they have one there. 402 00:42:44,500 --> 00:42:45,299 Oh, really? 403 00:42:45,300 --> 00:42:46,300 Rattlesnake, yeah. 404 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,260 Yeah, it's that girl that's walking up to the top. 405 00:43:01,020 --> 00:43:04,660 Hmm? Yeah, the girl that's walking up to the top. She's the one that gets... 406 00:43:04,660 --> 00:43:08,480 Yeah. She falls back, I think. Yeah. Messes up her leg. 407 00:43:09,930 --> 00:43:13,330 I remember this just like yesterday, shooting this scene. Just like 408 00:43:14,190 --> 00:43:15,190 Yeah, 409 00:43:15,370 --> 00:43:16,370 it was a nightmare for me. 410 00:43:30,510 --> 00:43:33,470 It blended in. It worked well. I mean, it worked fine. No problem. 411 00:43:56,240 --> 00:44:01,140 See, at that time, 1981, you could make a movie and not have anybody in it would 412 00:44:01,140 --> 00:44:03,080 sell. Especially a movie like this. 413 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:08,200 Now, just imagine if I'd had another, let's say, 10 grand, 15, 20 grand more. 414 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,780 could have put some much prettier girls in it. I could have had more production 415 00:44:11,780 --> 00:44:13,440 value. It would have been phenomenal. 416 00:44:15,260 --> 00:44:19,580 But this is bare bones, as bare bones as it gets, you know. 417 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,120 Still, it tells a story. 418 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:08,800 So for the artwork, like the painting of the key art for victims, did the guy 419 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,280 see the movie, or did you just kind of tell him what it was about? 420 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,660 No, he saw the movie, I think. 421 00:45:17,620 --> 00:45:23,680 The artwork that we did for, 422 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:28,100 I'll see if I can send you a copy of it. The artwork we did for, it's on loan. 423 00:45:29,770 --> 00:45:33,930 The two Pamelas, out of this world, different guy did it all together. I 424 00:45:33,930 --> 00:45:37,270 friend, if you ever need artwork, he's a student at UCLA. 425 00:45:38,030 --> 00:45:41,070 He's a Hindu, and he's phenomenal. 426 00:45:41,650 --> 00:45:48,570 Now this, this was shot way down in South Orange County, and I was the 427 00:45:48,570 --> 00:45:53,090 guy pushing all the rocks over off camera, and it made it look like it was 428 00:45:53,090 --> 00:45:56,950 something more than that, but it took us all day to shoot that goddamn thing. 429 00:45:57,090 --> 00:45:58,310 That was a lot of work. 430 00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:01,900 A lot of work. One guy pushing all those rocks and somebody down there filming 431 00:46:01,900 --> 00:46:02,900 it. 432 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,600 Yeah, that really big one looked like it was leaning towards the right toward 433 00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:08,600 the camera. 434 00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,100 Well, when you're down there with the camera, it could have hit something and 435 00:46:12,100 --> 00:46:15,700 moved toward the camera. It could have wiped the camera out. That's where it 436 00:46:15,700 --> 00:46:16,700 looked like it was going. 437 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,620 I have the... Oh, no, that was David Orange's camera. 438 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:26,800 Now, see this place here? That natural little cave? 439 00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:28,900 We were filming there for two days. 440 00:46:29,340 --> 00:46:30,680 Look at that ass. That's nice. 441 00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,900 And on the third day, we'd finished everything. I was standing there looking 442 00:46:34,900 --> 00:46:39,780 back this way, down in the valley, and I saw our cars were parked way across the 443 00:46:39,780 --> 00:46:44,040 valley. And I saw this whole bunch of cars pull up near ours, and a bunch of 444 00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,000 people get out, like hippies, kids, whatever, adults. 445 00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:50,980 And then they're looking around, and one of them points and sees us. So they 446 00:46:50,980 --> 00:46:54,940 come across the valley, up the hill, and I told my castors, uh -oh. 447 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,920 They get up there, and they were like satanic people. 448 00:46:59,780 --> 00:47:03,160 And they said, what the fuck are you doing here? 449 00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:05,100 I said, we're making a movie. 450 00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,960 They said, well, you get the fuck out of here right now. 451 00:47:08,540 --> 00:47:10,300 I said, okay. So we left. 452 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,420 Then I found out later on from Ronnie, who lives up there, that a satanic cult 453 00:47:14,420 --> 00:47:16,300 is known to be in that area. 454 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,220 But there was a pentagram inside that cave. 455 00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,860 Somebody had burned it into the ground. 456 00:47:23,220 --> 00:47:24,220 Ashes of it. 457 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:25,980 Or on the rock, I don't remember which. 458 00:47:32,780 --> 00:47:35,260 I wonder if people are still doing that kind of stuff up there. 459 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,160 We left a pentagram when I did Mark of the Beast. That was a big production. We 460 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:40,180 left a big pentagram. 461 00:47:40,780 --> 00:47:45,860 Some guy had built a little house out there out of stone, carved it into the 462 00:47:45,860 --> 00:47:47,880 rock. It just was a vacation home. 463 00:47:54,110 --> 00:47:57,890 Lonnie started out with me in the theater as a theater actor. 464 00:48:02,490 --> 00:48:03,490 1973. 465 00:48:06,430 --> 00:48:08,810 Yeah, 73. 466 00:48:09,130 --> 00:48:11,590 So I'd known him for about eight years when we did this. 467 00:48:14,590 --> 00:48:15,770 Do you use them? 468 00:48:18,750 --> 00:48:22,810 A couple more times? I used him again. I used him in, he had a small but a very 469 00:48:22,810 --> 00:48:27,230 great part in Streets of Death. Played a pimp. 470 00:48:27,530 --> 00:48:28,530 And it was terrific. 471 00:48:29,830 --> 00:48:33,670 That was shot very well, the light and shadow one. I liked it a lot. I liked 472 00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:34,670 that movie. 473 00:48:41,770 --> 00:48:44,790 I think he's gained a lot of weight now. He and his wife are enormous beer 474 00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:49,150 drinkers, and I think he's probably about 250 pounds or more, so he wouldn't 475 00:48:49,150 --> 00:48:50,470 good in a movie anymore. 476 00:48:51,370 --> 00:48:54,690 I haven't talked to him in years anyway. He's a hell of a nice guy, but, you 477 00:48:54,690 --> 00:48:57,030 know, people move out of the area, you lose touch with them. 478 00:48:57,930 --> 00:49:00,950 We kept in touch for the first few years, and I'd go up there and see him. 479 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,540 Did he end up watching this movie when it was completed? Did he let you know 480 00:49:15,540 --> 00:49:16,540 what he thought? 481 00:49:16,820 --> 00:49:18,980 I don't remember, to be honest with you. 482 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:21,920 He may have. 483 00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:24,600 He may have, but I don't remember. 484 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:28,680 I'm sure he liked it. 485 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,500 Hell, he was in it. What's he going to say? I didn't like it. 486 00:49:32,100 --> 00:49:33,440 He was in it. He had a good part. 487 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:45,780 Did they stick to the script as far as what they say, or did they kind of ad 488 00:49:45,780 --> 00:49:48,300 -lib stuff? No, nobody ad -libbed anything. I wouldn't let them. 489 00:49:49,180 --> 00:49:50,180 Now it's different. 490 00:49:50,660 --> 00:49:53,720 If I have a theme with some people, as long as they get the gist of the scene, 491 00:49:53,900 --> 00:49:59,880 if they want to ad -lib, and ad -lib is germane to what's going on, I'll let 492 00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:04,160 them get away with it. If it's not, and they start off with something else, when 493 00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:09,220 you tell them... See, I'm a writer first, you know. I told you who I've 494 00:50:09,220 --> 00:50:10,220 for. 495 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,960 First thing is the word. The spoken word is very important to me. But if 496 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:21,100 something happens in the scene that's phenomenal, keep it. I don't mind that. 497 00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:26,260 But these people were not savvy enough at that point to ad -lib anything. 498 00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,300 So they didn't. 499 00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:45,200 shoot this differently, too. 500 00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:47,200 See, 501 00:50:53,540 --> 00:50:56,740 I'd get a close -up of the barrel against her groin. Each girl. 502 00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:58,240 Put that in there. 503 00:50:58,700 --> 00:50:59,880 Make it more powerful. 504 00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,420 So when you shot this, you had one 16mm, right? 505 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:12,160 One camera? 506 00:51:13,460 --> 00:51:17,480 What the hell did he use? I can't remember. 507 00:51:18,140 --> 00:51:21,520 I had the Bolex, but it wasn't the Bolex he used. It was something else. 508 00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,220 I ad -libbed his voice in this theme too because he wasn't around to dub it. 509 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:52,800 That's me speaking. 510 00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:54,580 Trying to sound like Lonnie. 511 00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:56,520 That's me. 512 00:52:01,700 --> 00:52:02,700 Sound like him? 513 00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:04,300 A little bit. 514 00:52:16,620 --> 00:52:18,720 I like this little trip she does. It's natural, see? 515 00:52:19,020 --> 00:52:24,600 It makes her seem more pathetic, more vulnerable. 516 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:26,820 It just happens. 517 00:52:33,580 --> 00:52:34,580 Jesus, he says. 518 00:52:34,940 --> 00:52:36,600 Oh no, that comes up later. 519 00:52:37,300 --> 00:52:38,300 Oh, he did say it. 520 00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:42,520 Get up. 521 00:52:44,900 --> 00:52:48,730 I said get up. Get up, or I'm going to blow your friend's head off. 522 00:53:10,060 --> 00:53:14,740 I think she was probably the youngest girl out of the four. She was. She was 523 00:53:14,740 --> 00:53:15,558 youngest one. 524 00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,320 The oldest one was the driver. 525 00:53:18,380 --> 00:53:22,340 Okay. And then I think this one in the black hair, and then Jerry. 526 00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,760 It's a Scorcha, and then this girl here. 527 00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:31,800 She looks maybe like 20, maybe 21, or maybe even younger. 528 00:53:32,820 --> 00:53:36,280 It's funny how I cast them. I cast them all in a hotel over by the L .A. 529 00:53:36,340 --> 00:53:37,580 airport. I had no office. 530 00:53:37,780 --> 00:53:38,780 Yeah. 531 00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,500 And I just, we found a room in a hotel. The guy let me use it to interview him. 532 00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:43,680 That's how we cast it. 533 00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,360 Did you have more than four girls show up? 534 00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,820 No. Just the four and then you did that? 535 00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:57,420 Oh, I used what I had. 536 00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,840 See, I would have got close -ups, too, of their faces when they're talking. 537 00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,560 Because you've got to see the expression. You've got to see what's in 538 00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,680 So when you cast them or when you told them about this... Well, they read the 539 00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:48,480 script. Did you put an ad in the paper or something? Oh, yeah, I did put an ad 540 00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:49,600 in the paper and that's how that went. 541 00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:50,980 Do you still have that ad? 542 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,120 Oh, I don't know. No, hell no, I wouldn't have that ad. 543 00:54:56,980 --> 00:54:59,800 See, in those days, I'd finish something and that was it. Yeah. 544 00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,560 Axelrod was the best thing in the whole movie, I thought. 545 00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:10,460 I thought he was very good. 546 00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:11,760 Yeah, he's a good actor. 547 00:55:25,340 --> 00:55:29,040 Pretty powerful stuff, even today, really, when you think about it. 548 00:55:29,740 --> 00:55:30,740 Rape and all that stuff. 549 00:55:37,390 --> 00:55:40,550 Somebody remarked, look at the shot again. There, see the penis rock? 550 00:55:41,050 --> 00:55:44,210 Somebody remarked about that, that it was the director's symbolism. 551 00:55:44,930 --> 00:55:47,130 It hadn't even occurred to me. 552 00:56:40,650 --> 00:56:41,710 That's a damn big step for you. 553 00:56:44,010 --> 00:56:45,010 That or not. 554 00:56:45,530 --> 00:56:46,770 Gotta get to the first aid kit. 555 00:57:13,340 --> 00:57:14,580 It's a Scorcher. 556 00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,500 Yeah. It's very Jewish, very New York Jewish. 557 00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,380 Schlesel, her last name means key in Yiddish. 558 00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:24,600 Jerry Key. 559 00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:34,300 Hurry up! I wonder if we were to walk outside and see any of them, if you 560 00:57:34,300 --> 00:57:35,300 recognize them. 561 00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,200 Probably. I never forget a face. 562 00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:52,900 Some people change dramatically. 563 00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:54,720 Others don't change at all. 564 00:57:55,020 --> 00:57:57,080 It just depends on the person. 565 00:57:57,580 --> 00:58:01,040 But I can usually remember a face. I may not remember the name, but the face I 566 00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:02,040 generally remember. 567 00:58:02,180 --> 00:58:03,180 Generally. 568 00:58:05,740 --> 00:58:12,360 So right in there is where 569 00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,200 that cult would do their thing? 570 00:58:14,740 --> 00:58:16,260 Yeah, we were up on a hill here. 571 00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:20,040 And across that way was the valley. 572 00:58:25,260 --> 00:58:26,600 He did the reading beautifully. 573 00:58:29,540 --> 00:58:29,980 I 574 00:58:29,980 --> 00:58:37,200 love 575 00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:41,640 the effect when she slams a car down on his knuckles and breaks his knuckles. 576 00:58:44,140 --> 00:58:50,540 I'm surprised 577 00:58:50,540 --> 00:58:52,860 that they have a first aid kit. 578 00:58:55,050 --> 00:58:56,050 Yeah. 579 00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,780 So when you had a car like that, was it also a hatchback? 580 00:59:26,300 --> 00:59:27,360 That wasn't my car. 581 00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,440 I don't know whose car that was. 582 00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:35,060 At that time, I was driving a... The Pina? Yeah, the Pina. 583 00:59:35,820 --> 00:59:37,960 Oh, that's it. I think that was a Datsun. 584 00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:40,900 It looks like a Datsun, doesn't it? 585 00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,240 Yeah, but it wasn't mine. I don't know whose car that was. I have no clue. 586 00:59:45,700 --> 00:59:47,460 It may have been the makeup girl's car. 587 00:59:47,820 --> 00:59:48,820 I don't know. 588 01:00:01,470 --> 01:00:02,530 Oh, no, no, 81? 589 01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:06,350 Yeah, 81, I was driving a Pinto. 590 01:00:06,650 --> 01:00:08,090 I had a Pinto Fastback. 591 01:00:08,990 --> 01:00:12,910 Not the hatchback, the Fastback. It was kind of unique. I loved the floor shift. 592 01:00:13,230 --> 01:00:14,310 It was a great car. 593 01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:17,610 It had 250 ,000 miles on it when I gave it away. 594 01:00:19,350 --> 01:00:20,350 Perfect condition. 595 01:00:21,350 --> 01:00:23,550 I gave it to a friend of mine, wife. 596 01:00:52,910 --> 01:00:54,330 She really was scared up there. 597 01:00:54,530 --> 01:00:56,130 That's why she bent down like that. 598 01:00:59,750 --> 01:01:01,490 Yeah, she's not wearing any shoes or anything. 599 01:01:10,850 --> 01:01:14,430 Nowadays, I would have had a stuntman go over and then a dummy. 600 01:01:20,650 --> 01:01:24,070 On Mark of the Beast, we had a stuntman break his back and his leg. 601 01:01:24,730 --> 01:01:30,670 Remember I told you they set the fiancé on fire and throw him off the cliff? 602 01:01:30,810 --> 01:01:34,030 Yeah. There was a descender rope on him like that. You couldn't see with the 603 01:01:34,030 --> 01:01:35,030 harness. 604 01:01:35,050 --> 01:01:36,710 And we had four cameras set up. 605 01:01:36,990 --> 01:01:41,570 And the guy that was running the descender rope had let some slack in it. 606 01:01:41,570 --> 01:01:42,570 75 feet. 607 01:01:42,810 --> 01:01:46,130 Wow. And so when he fell, it was beautifully shot, but he hit. 608 01:01:47,790 --> 01:01:49,670 He never stunted again. Steve Davis. 609 01:01:52,330 --> 01:01:57,290 I have a friend who worked on the original Conan the Barbarian, and 610 01:01:57,290 --> 01:02:01,250 like that happened where I think the guy passed away. He fell off a cliff, 611 01:02:01,350 --> 01:02:02,350 turned into a stunner. 612 01:02:02,730 --> 01:02:05,450 Oh, this is that Oriental girl. I liked her. 613 01:02:05,890 --> 01:02:07,430 I could have filmed her all week. 614 01:02:11,430 --> 01:02:17,710 She was a real player. I liked her. She was gung -ho. 615 01:02:33,610 --> 01:02:38,210 So this was shot after the movie? This was shot after the other stuff was done. 616 01:02:39,950 --> 01:02:43,610 If you would have found her beforehand, would you have made a use for her? 617 01:02:43,890 --> 01:02:46,390 Hell yeah, in a heartbeat. She was a wonderful person. 618 01:02:46,730 --> 01:02:50,070 Just as gung -ho to do whatever we wanted her to do, it didn't matter. 619 01:02:50,950 --> 01:02:52,050 She was just great. 620 01:02:52,510 --> 01:02:55,730 You know, when you find somebody like that, you want to use them over and 621 01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:02,160 I have never been, I've never had problems filming anybody hardly ever. 622 01:03:02,460 --> 01:03:08,560 This one and two Pamela's were some problems, but not much. But this one was 623 01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:12,000 a class by itself because when it was over, I never wanted to see these girls 624 01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:13,000 ever again. 625 01:03:29,460 --> 01:03:30,620 And these whores. 626 01:03:34,140 --> 01:03:34,620 You 627 01:03:34,620 --> 01:03:41,720 see 628 01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:43,520 yourself the way they're dressed. 629 01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:49,300 So you see, bitch, we're too good for you. 630 01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:26,560 His friend's death was natural. 631 01:04:27,460 --> 01:04:29,820 But in his case, justice has been served. 632 01:04:30,340 --> 01:04:32,560 He paid first time for his life. 633 01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,460 So if he died, he was a justifiable homicide. 634 01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:43,180 Then we'd have to live with the memory of your death for the rest of our lives. 635 01:04:44,660 --> 01:04:46,520 And we've had enough pain already. 636 01:04:49,300 --> 01:04:50,300 I'm going. 637 01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:13,440 Years. That's my 638 01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,440 knife they use, by the way. My hunting knife. 639 01:05:16,340 --> 01:05:17,400 My Bowie knife. 640 01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,660 It's lost. Somewhere it got lost along the way. 641 01:05:21,100 --> 01:05:24,100 That one right there? Yeah, not there. It got locked somewhere. It may have 642 01:05:24,100 --> 01:05:26,000 gotten locked. I don't know. It was a great knife. 643 01:05:29,140 --> 01:05:34,860 I worked on another movie and it was called Satan's Blade and they threw a 644 01:05:34,860 --> 01:05:39,480 like that in a tree and a few of them were lost somewhere in Northern 645 01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:41,400 California. That always happens. 646 01:06:08,610 --> 01:06:10,450 He's reliving the thing with the prostitute. 647 01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:24,820 Okay, can you stop it now? 648 01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:27,440 I don't want to see the last part of it. Okay. 649 01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:30,140 Then we can do the interview because I'm going to have to get going here. 650 01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:34,440 All right, everyone, as you heard, Jeff Hathcock had to go. 651 01:06:34,660 --> 01:06:39,180 We actually ended up doing an on -camera interview after this. I asked him some 652 01:06:39,180 --> 01:06:43,520 questions in regards to the film, see if he remembered anything, which he 653 01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:44,660 remembers quite a bit. 654 01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:50,140 But basically, Victims was shot in the springtime of 1981. 655 01:06:51,420 --> 01:06:56,480 He was working at Knott's Berry Farm at the time and decided he wanted to shoot 656 01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:00,260 a film with the week off he had at work, and he asked for an additional week off 657 01:07:00,260 --> 01:07:01,320 of work and got it. 658 01:07:01,740 --> 01:07:07,480 And then he put an ad in the paper, and he saw four girls in a hotel room, and 659 01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:11,040 he cast the four girls that came, which are the girls that are in the film now. 660 01:07:11,940 --> 01:07:16,500 It was shot up in Burbank, which is basically right by Knott's Berry Farm. 661 01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:19,920 It's maybe about a 20 -minute drive from Los Angeles. 662 01:07:21,290 --> 01:07:26,810 Then it took him another year after the film was completed to do the audio and 663 01:07:26,810 --> 01:07:30,510 also to cut the movie together from the 16mm print. 664 01:07:31,870 --> 01:07:37,170 So it got picked up by Scimitar in 1984 and it was distributed in 1985. 665 01:07:39,550 --> 01:07:45,430 So Jeff had sent them the master, the 16mm print of the film, never got it 666 01:07:45,510 --> 01:07:48,650 So he has absolutely no idea where it is. We try to find it. 667 01:07:49,050 --> 01:07:51,870 but have no clue as to where it can be at this time. 668 01:07:52,070 --> 01:07:55,010 So we did use another source that I had. 669 01:07:55,410 --> 01:07:57,810 It looks as good as it can be for what it is. 670 01:07:58,170 --> 01:08:01,870 We cleaned up the audio a bit because it was really difficult to listen to. 671 01:08:03,030 --> 01:08:07,990 But, yeah, we appreciate Jeff for doing the interview and taking a couple hours 672 01:08:07,990 --> 01:08:11,650 out of his day to do the commentary for most of it. 673 01:08:11,930 --> 01:08:14,970 There's only about seven minutes of it or so that are missing. 674 01:08:15,610 --> 01:08:17,710 But we're hoping to have this released. 675 01:08:19,020 --> 01:08:21,720 I would say March of 2017. 676 01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:26,640 Today is December 18th, 2016. 677 01:08:27,660 --> 01:08:29,720 So yeah, we should be coming out with it soon. 678 01:08:30,340 --> 01:08:33,580 Thank you, everybody. This is Paisley Charan with Slasher Video. 679 01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:37,460 There you are. Now you know what kind of girls they were. 680 01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:39,600 The two men, what were they doing? 681 01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:42,479 I recall it seemed like they were having car trouble. 682 01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,279 They popped over to the side of the garage with a hood out. 683 01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:46,520 Have you seen people? 684 01:08:48,490 --> 01:08:51,670 It looked like they were acquainted with the girls. I saw them talking to the 685 01:08:51,670 --> 01:08:53,149 girls, and they were smiling, too. 686 01:08:53,450 --> 01:08:55,649 It certainly looked to me like they knew each other. 687 01:08:56,450 --> 01:08:57,450 What happened then? 688 01:08:58,330 --> 01:08:59,990 The girls got in their car and left. 689 01:09:00,790 --> 01:09:01,890 Did the men go with them? 690 01:09:02,430 --> 01:09:04,050 No, they were still there when we left. 691 01:09:04,270 --> 01:09:07,050 But I saw them waving to the girls as they drove away. 692 01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:10,189 Waving? Well, you know, like this. 693 01:09:13,609 --> 01:09:15,149 Thank you. You've been very helpful. 694 01:09:15,689 --> 01:09:17,450 We'll call in again if we need to talk to you. 695 01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:21,580 It's dope, Marshall. That's what's ruining our young people. I'm sure 696 01:09:21,580 --> 01:09:23,540 find there's dope and sex involved. 697 01:09:24,100 --> 01:09:25,100 You may be right. 698 01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:32,020 I just talked to the hospital. 699 01:09:32,300 --> 01:09:34,100 The girl's got a fractured hip, but she'll be okay. 700 01:09:34,580 --> 01:09:39,279 The only physical damage to the man is a gunshot wound in the left fall. 701 01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:42,700 The real problem is mental. They say it's completely massive mold. 702 01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:45,399 Maybe something's scared him. Could be. 703 01:09:46,510 --> 01:09:48,710 Let me know as soon as the boys get back on the same flight. 704 01:10:01,030 --> 01:10:02,230 Your folks have been notified. 705 01:10:02,930 --> 01:10:03,930 They're on their way. 706 01:10:05,010 --> 01:10:06,010 How's Jarvis? 707 01:10:07,190 --> 01:10:08,190 He's okay. 708 01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:10,530 But your male friend, he's in bad shape. 709 01:10:10,890 --> 01:10:11,950 He's not our friend. 710 01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:14,790 We told you what happened! 711 01:10:16,140 --> 01:10:20,540 Until he's able to talk and tell us about his story, we have to do it. 712 01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:22,780 All I got is your word for a declaration. 713 01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,860 Physical examination will prove that we're telling you the truth. 714 01:10:28,060 --> 01:10:30,660 All that will prove that you have to intercourse with him. 715 01:10:31,380 --> 01:10:34,880 Right now, I got a man out of his mind with a bullet hole through his leg. 716 01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,300 From all I know, he may have been the victim. 717 01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:38,520 You see? 718 01:10:45,710 --> 01:10:48,770 a heck of a lot easier for all of you if you tell me what you did with the 719 01:10:48,770 --> 01:10:49,770 money. 720 01:10:49,950 --> 01:10:51,090 What money? 721 01:10:51,770 --> 01:10:53,710 The money from the gas station hold -up. 722 01:10:53,970 --> 01:10:57,350 I don't know anything about a hold -up. What are you trying to say? 723 01:10:58,710 --> 01:11:03,810 Ladies, a man who has gotten that hold -up has been serious enough. 724 01:11:04,570 --> 01:11:09,010 But if that attendant should die, you're going to find yourself in more trouble 725 01:11:09,010 --> 01:11:10,050 than you ever dreamed of. 726 01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:16,660 So help me God, we don't know anything about any gas station. Hold up! 727 01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:19,820 Oh, God. 728 01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:21,720 All right. 729 01:11:22,260 --> 01:11:23,460 Have it your own way. 730 01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:26,400 I just don't understand your tricks nowadays. 731 01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:29,940 Think you're always getting yourselves into trouble. 732 01:11:36,180 --> 01:11:39,420 They brought the body in. Found him in a ravine where the real city was. 733 01:11:40,330 --> 01:11:43,490 The tow truck's bringing in the girl's car and the one stolen at the gas 734 01:11:43,490 --> 01:11:44,490 station. 735 01:11:44,550 --> 01:11:45,630 Any sign of the money? 736 01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:46,910 Nothing yet. 737 01:11:47,230 --> 01:11:50,770 They did pick up two hunting rifles. Most likely the ones used in the 738 01:11:52,470 --> 01:11:53,470 All right, good work. 739 01:11:53,590 --> 01:11:55,570 Oh, that truck driver that picked the group up. 740 01:11:55,890 --> 01:11:58,350 Get his name and phone number. I'll probably want to quote them again. 741 01:11:59,590 --> 01:12:01,490 We found the body where he said it was. 742 01:12:02,550 --> 01:12:03,950 And some cars with rifles. 743 01:12:06,070 --> 01:12:08,510 We'll be just a matter of time before we find the money. 744 01:12:11,690 --> 01:12:13,350 It would be to your benefit to tell us the truth. 745 01:12:13,770 --> 01:12:16,010 We told you the truth, but you won't listen. 746 01:12:17,810 --> 01:12:20,010 Okay, ladies. Any way you want it. 747 01:12:20,330 --> 01:12:22,210 But let me tell you how it looks from here. 748 01:12:23,230 --> 01:12:25,110 You all planned a robbery together. 749 01:12:25,470 --> 01:12:27,190 Then you hightailed it to the hills. 750 01:12:27,930 --> 01:12:31,390 You drank, smoked pot, had your little Aussies. 751 01:12:32,230 --> 01:12:33,230 Somebody got killed. 752 01:12:34,050 --> 01:12:35,050 Tempest blazed. 753 01:12:35,710 --> 01:12:37,870 There was a shootout, and one man died. 754 01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:41,070 Then one of you thought up the right story. 755 01:13:07,980 --> 01:13:09,100 and died a few months ago. 756 01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,920 But not before we gained consciousness. 757 01:13:17,860 --> 01:13:22,940 It was clear during any part of the robbing that it was two men. 758 01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:27,340 They forced him to tell them where you were going. 759 01:13:30,500 --> 01:13:33,360 He still wanted to press the rape charges against him. 760 01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:36,920 They'll have to dismiss what he found later. 761 01:13:47,210 --> 01:13:50,790 From what I saw of Mike, it won't make much difference since he mentally 762 01:13:50,790 --> 01:13:53,290 his pants right out and made out with you.